Interview with an angel: Does evil exist for ‘spiritual workouts’ to get us off our lazy Divine asses? Is Earth a super-evil case study, a school to recognize evil, or what?

Setting: My teaching classroom at a lower-performing public high school. At the start of my conference period, I’m at my laptop. My door opens to reveal a tall gentleman in business casual clothes. I recognize him, but can’t place from where or when. As my eyes focus, I notice his robust health and apparently perfect physical proportions. He appears in his early 30s. He smiles broadly.

Carl: Do I know you?

Angel: You do. But not in your human packaging beyond dim recollection. I’m an angel; a messenger. You requested clarification of human and planetary conditions, and have earned an audience.

C: (trying to process) Excuse me? You’re an angel?

A: (smiling again) Yes. The etymology of the word is messenger. You asked for an audience. When incarnating humans fight their way somewhat into the light, they earn wisdom from various forms. How may I be of service, Carl?

C: (still processing, and taking in this being’s presence of at once: patient focus, calm intensity, and powerful stillness in the moment) I’m sorry; you’re the most ideal image of humanity I’ve ever witnessed. You’re not like us.

A: Correct. I’m not like you. You’re like me.

C: (again trying to understand and unable to respond)

A: (smiling broadly again) Would you like me to begin our conversation until you’re comfortable?

C: Yes, please.

A: Humans are like us, when freed from the constraints of this planet’s exploration and experimentation with evil (consider here). Humans are in a crippled physical form, intentionally, and with intent by the evil beings allowed dominion over Earth to shape you in their image, but in genetically manipulated form of severe limitations enslaved as minions and work animals. Consider:

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Without these sadistic and parasitic degradations, you are just like us. We messengers find allegories and imagery helpful. Shakespeare to music, here, expresses the sense that humans are so much more than the condition they’re born into:

C: Ok. So why do have these limits? Why the evil on Earth?

A: Seek, and ye shall find, Brother. That said, as you have worked to learn and document (here, here, here for examples), this place was allowed to devolve into evil. Nothing happens without permission of the One we all connect with and are. Historically, as far as we can see into the infinite past, evil is used by spirits and angels as worthy opponents, necessary duality of otherness in order to have virtue. Nothing exists in singularity; literally: we must have what is not in order to have what is. No evil = no virtue.

You’ve considered these ideas.

C: Of course. But why give a planet to evil?

A: Exactly! Who would ever vote for such a thing? (soulful and playful smile) Have you considered any connection to why you chose to incarnate here?

C: So I may have had a hand in this. Yes, I have considered. From vicious dinosaurs to war games; the most extreme “sport” would be to see what happened if we gave a planet for evil to “develop.”

A: And how do you like it?

C: It’s time to shut it down. Or at least I’m done with this experience. It’s been a spiritual workout, but there’s nothing of value that can be created that challenges evil. All we can do is act as angels ourselves: messengers to humanity to recognize evil for themselves and choose responses. So far, it seems many are invited; few accept.

A: That’s why you earned my visit! Haven’t you had the spiritual workout of a lifetime! (laughs in Schadenfreude) And you have had enough, haven’t you, Brother?

C: I’d like to win this game, Bro. We’re Emperor’s New Clothes close, yes?

A: Yes. Although human perception of time and the Goddess’ will whose planet this is make close a meaningless expression for one short human lifetime.

C: I’m aware the .01% psychopaths in control every year kill millions, harm billions, and loot trillions. I’m relatively protected in being a messenger, so far. Personally, yes, I’ve had enough of a spiritual workout. I work for others’ learning, and desperate needs of so many beings, human and non-human, on this beautiful and dominated planet.

A: Ready to go home?

C: I want this planet as a home, Bro. I’m not alone. I only work on powerful teams. Well, I mean, even though I don’t see very many of my teammates, I know we’re here. If the Goddess is ready to win, I’ll help. If this is some school to take Life seriously or have a spiritual workout, and not a game to win, I’m done here.

A: The evil “distant cousins who ain’t my kind,” you’re finished learning from them?

C: Yes. The lies, lack of love, and .01% vicious oligarchy “ain’t my kind.”

A: In analogy, you’ve met the specter, and would like to make Earth a true home:

C: Who exactly are our opponents in this game?

A: (suddenly serious) In every other historical work with evil, these are red team volunteers for a defined and limited role. Earth is part of an unprecedented experiment and exploration into evil. We’ve learned that evil unleashed is pure “service to self” without co-creative interest. These beings will not accept any existence other than the impossible: that they alone shall rule. Therefore, they will be reabsorbed into the One when their choice is made to reject a co-creative existence and only exist with permission to violate less-evolved beings’ free will as slave races. Before, evil roles were freely chosen to sharpen all others’ experience and expression of virtue, and released in eager gratitude to return to Truth, Love, and Justice. Similar to this:

C: So what do we messengers best do to help?

A: Offer choice to the extent possible. As you’ve found nothing ambitiously creative is possible that won’t end in death and co-option. You worked for ending poverty up to two UN summits for heads of state, Carl. What did you find?

C: Ending poverty isn’t possible in this condition of evil. All we ever received from “leaders” were reneged promises and bullshit. They want rogue state empire; apparently to devolve into tragic-comic Roman empire (and here).

A: (smiling) And even here? (opening his arms to indicate the classroom)

C: Even here (opening my arms). About 60% of our students fail Algebra 1 at this school from our other teachers; my numbers comparing apples-to-apples is less than 10%. I openly share my assessments, data, perspectives, and am met by more attack than curiosity by colleagues. About 90% of the students openly state this is the best math class they’ve ever had, yet I have no opening to broadly contribute. (my actual perspective; amended when shared with math professionals)

A: (mock sincerity) But with your family you can be honest, no?

C: No. I’m a spy there. A good person, but learned to not discuss what is most important for humanity to discuss. They love me, and allow me to work, but truly don’t want to know what I’m working on. (a note from the poet Rilke at the end expresses this sense)

A: Just as well, Carl. Dr. King demonstrated that ongoing successful opposition ends in death at the hands of the rogue state government. Even his family’s civil trial victory and overwhelming evidence goes down the collective memory hole designed to keep humanity enslaved. I’m aware: your school honors Martin King, and none ever speak of the civil trial verdict and evidence that he was assassinated by the .01% rogue state government.

C: None speak of it except for me that I know of. Perhaps half our staff have pictures or quotes from Martin in their rooms. I’ve reached-out to school and district leaders for social justice about the King Family civil trial, and receive silence in return. I use Martin’s life and death as context within which our students need to be educated. For them, big picture facts of two world wars for empire, current lie-started and illegal Wars of Aggression, and relevant history to their families like the US stole half of Mexico with a lying US President and obvious treaty violation are appreciated context that helps answer their obvious question of why they’re forced to learn abstract math that intentionally ignores real “real-world” problems that math is supposed to quantify, clarify, and reveal solutions, like ending poverty, forever wars, and meaningful work for all.

Students appreciate the truth that they’re being lied-to with so-called “real-world” text problems that are contrived and ridiculous scenarios that often violate laws of physics, and that real people never perform. They appreciate the truth that “x” and “y” algebra done at a desk on-paper that they never translate into real-world creations are by definition “puzzles” rather than real-world. These are obvious facts to students when pointed to.

I made a little poem to express this. Want to hear it?

A: Please.


I inspire almost all to do better than they’ve ever done.

A few, however, persist with what they’ve always done,

And resist being One with any brighter future won.

A: Sweet. Thank you.

C: You’re welcome. I didn’t expect to share that with anyone.

A: (again in mock innocence) But wait a minute. Why are you teaching math when you’re an expert in government and economics? You worked with both parties’ leaderships over 18 years, helped shape and deliver 300 briefs for poverty-ending domestic and foreign policy, and currently do economics research requested by leading universities. Among Advanced Placement teachers, you were repeatedly told you are the most experienced and qualified of anyone they knew at the high school level. And you love history, with much of your research based from it. Why aren’t you teaching social science rather than math?

C: You tell me, Mr. Angel.

A: You were fired four times as a combination of .01% dictated professional “death sentence” to remove your voice from truthful education about history, government, and economics, along with .01% leverage of their minions’ rejection of facts challenging the rogue state empire.

Nothing ambitiously creative is possible that reveals evil for what it is.

You weren’t a threat in your early career when you naively worked for the end of poverty and taught what was in government approved texts. The empire happily awards such teachers who are successful in that system of control, such as two Los Angeles mayors honoring you as among the best teachers in the inner-city.

That said, angels protecting you used the opening of evil firing you to expand the choice you offer through what, about 200 job applications? And we were able to ethically help open other doors for you, although you wouldn’t be aware of our influence.

(grins) Are you sure that you don’t want another incarnation of this experience?

C: Quite sure. Again, if the Goddess is playing to win, I will consider a proposal. I must have accepted an offer to be incarnated here now. I do love my teammates, although we are too few and far between to do anything but offer choice at this point. I assume in good faith that our mission is to be too few to affect policy, and too many to be ignored by all the actors connected to this planet. This said, the human experience is soooo dominated by this evil, so painful to witness. Happiness is an inappropriate expression in the face of such sadistic destruction, Bro. It is a workout for me to reach for the One, to be One, to appreciate the awesome-awful creation this evil-captured system is, but nah, I’ve had enough of this shit.

I’m ready to win.

So! For now, in loving service to the One, we stand for home, offer choice, and harmonize with the Goddess for whatever this Earth experience is meant to demonstrate for us.

A: Exactly. Home you’ll go; it’s a long road but you’re not alone:

Appreciate the “extreme sport” on Earth; we may never pass this way again:

C: We fight the good fight.

A: Yes. In good faith effort, in spiritual exercise connected to All, we fight the good fight:

Stay tuned. You might like the ending to this show.

C: I hope so. I’ve done my part to earn it.


From Rilke:

“But everything that may some day be possible to many the solitary man can now prepare and build with his hands, that err less. Therefore, dear sir, love your solitude and bear with sweet-sounding lamentation the suffering it causes you. For those who are near you are far, you say, and that shows it is beginning to grow wide about you. And when what is near you is far, then your distance is already among the stars and very large; rejoice in your growth, in which you naturally can take no one with you, and be kind to those who remain behind, and be sure and calm before them and do not torment them with your doubts and do not frighten them with Your confidence or joy, which they could not understand. Seek yourself some sort of simple and loyal community with them, which need not necessarily change as you yourself become different and again different; love in them life in an unfamiliar form and be considerate of aging people, who fear that being-alone in which you trust. Avoid contributing material to the drama that is always stretched taut between parents and children; it uses up much of the children’s energy and consumes the love of their elders, which is effective and warming even if it does not comprehend. Ask no advice from them and count upon no understanding; but believe in a love that is being stored up for you like an inheritance and trust that in this lore there is a strength and a blessing, out beyond which you do not have to step in order to go very far!”

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Note: I make all factual assertions as a National Board Certified Teacher of US Government, Economics, and History, with all economics factual claims receiving zero refutation since I began writing in 2008 among Advanced Placement Macroeconomics teachers on our discussion board, public audiences of these articles, and international conferences (and here). I invite readers to empower their civic voices with the strongest comprehensive facts most important to building a brighter future. I challenge professionals, academics, and citizens to add their voices for the benefit of all Earth’s inhabitants.


Carl Herman is a National Board Certified Teacher of US Government, Economics, and History; also credentialed in Mathematics. He worked with both US political parties over 18 years and two UN Summits with the citizen’s lobby, RESULTS, for US domestic and foreign policy to end poverty. He can be reached at

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